The AP via ABCNews: Canadians Stunned Over Mounties Killings
The slayings of four Canadian police officer have stunned a nation that prides itself on far fewer acts of gun violence than its neighbor to the south.
I logged in to Yahoo just a few minutes ago and this is the first I heard of the shootings. What a nightmare.
A bagpiper played "Amazing Grace" and flags flew at half-staff Friday as Canadians grappled with the deadliest attack on police officers in 120 years. The four Mounties were slain during a raid on a marijuana farm in a rural western hamlet on Thursday.
"Canadians are shocked by this brutality and join me in condemning the violent acts that brought about these deaths," Prime Minister Paul Martin said.
That is the crucial distinction here: self-defense and aggression. Protesting all violence opens you to the dangers of grossly negligent self-annihilation; if you are morally prohibited from repelling attackers with force, you place your life in the hands of any random stranger to do with as they wish.
"The loss of four police officers is unprecedented in recent history," said Bill Sweeney, commanding officer of the Mounties in Alberta. "I'm told you have to go back to about 1885 … during the Northwest Rebellion to have a loss of this magnitude."The Northwest Rebellion was an unsuccessful attempt by indigenous rebels to establish an independent nation in the northwestern frontier.
The four Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers had been investigating a farm in Mayerthorpe, a small hamlet of some 1,300 people in western Alberta province.Spokesman Cpl. Wayne Oakes said the four Mounties and the suspected gunman were found in a Quonset hut on the farm late Thursday. A government source told The Canadian Press the suspect killed himself after shooting the officers.
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The suspect was identified by police as 46-year-old James Roszko. Authorities said he had a long criminal record, including the use of illegal firearms and sexual assault.
Oakes said the Mounties were investigating reports of stolen property and marijuana on Roszko's property.
Families and police planned the funerals Saturday for four Canadian Mounties murdered in a raid on a marijuana operation, as more details emerged about the suspect, a man notorious in the area as a police-hater who stockpiled weapons.In one of the bloodiest incidents in the history of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, officers were investigating stolen vehicles and an illicit marijuana growing operation near the town of Mayerthorpe, Alberta, Thursday when they were gunned down inside a large metal shed.
The shooting has sparked debate over the government's plans to decriminalize marijuana possession, but town residents and criminologists say they do not believe the suspect, James Roszko, 46, opened fire to protect a pot crop.
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"Jim has been developing more and more hate and anger against the police," said his father William Roszko, 80. He said his son "probably is in Hell already."
Family and neighbors described his short temper, angry encounters with police and bailiffs and his firearms cache.
Police said the young Mounties were armed with handguns and wore light body armor when the entered the shed. They were shot with what was described as a "rapid-fire, high-powered rifle."
"The RCMP were out-powered...," George Roszko, James' older brother, told the Edmonton Journal newspaper. "This is not your average hunting rifle-style kind of situation. There were numerous searches there, they tried to find his automatic weapons numerous times. But he's not stupid."
Even Roszko's lawyer was quoted as saying he was frightened at times by the repeat-offender, who was also convicted of sexually assaulting a teenage boy in 2000.
Residents of Mayerthorpe, a town of 1,600 people about 90 miles (140 km) northwest of Edmonton, described how the farm was equipped with heavy gates, booby traps and security cameras.
"Everybody knew he was nuts," said Tanya Madigan, a gas station clerk, whose boyfriend owns a nearby property.
© Reuters Foundation 2002. All rights reserved.
From this, which will rapidly become the Conventional Wisdom, people shall conclude James Roszko posed a severe danger to everyone around him and therefore had little right (if at all) to continue living as he did. I know nothing about the sexual assault charge, which, if true and actually constituted assault, would make him a rights-violator. However, the fact that he engaged in activities that the state deemed illegal doesn't necessarily make them morally criminal; nor does the fact that he engaged in activities that some or even many people disapprove of and fear automatically make him a evil person. How many guns is it OK to have before you are considered a monster? At what point does it make you insane when you attempt to set up defenses for your property?
Assuming Reuters didn't miss other things on his rap sheet, it can be said that Mr. Roszko placed a very high value on his property and decided it was worth investing considerable time and resources to defend. Given that the Canadian government repeatedly attempted to confiscate and control his property against his will, he had legitimate concerns.
Back to the Associated Press article:
"This is something that happens in Hollywood, but it never happens here," Albert Schalm, the town's mayor, told CBC TV. "I think it will change the community. It will just make everybody more aware that there are drug problems, even out here in rural Canada."
As documentary filmmaker Michael Moore pointed out in "Bowling for Columbine," there are few reasons to lock your doors across this vast nation.There were 152 homicides by firearms in Canada in 2002, according to federal statistics, compared with 11,829 homicides by guns in the United States for that same year. Canada's population is about 32.5 million people; the U.S. population is about 293 million.
A 1995 federal firearms law in Canada requires every firearm in the country be registered and each gun owner licensed.
Be on the watch for this fallacy in the coming days. It is not so hard to point out that the causes of gun homicides are not restricted to the ownership of firearms. Crime has many fathers.
But Canada is grappling with an increase in organized crime behind the multibillion-dollar marijuana industry."It is an unprecedented and unspeakable loss," Royal Canadian Mounted Police Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli said in a statement. "We know that these are the most serious challenges, made complicated by the involvement of organized crime, the availability of weapons and the risks posed by individuals who choose the path of violence and destruction over peace and good."
"He loved the RCMP and all it stood for," his family said in a statement. "Our country is hurting. We have lost four dedicated citizens who were willing to do something about it."
The slow moves towards more and more pot decriminalization in Canada do not mean cannabis-related crime will cease. On the contrary, since it is still somewhat illegal to own, produce, distribute, and consume marijuana and at the same time lesser sanctions are levied against both producers and consumers, it is likely the Canadian marijuana market is seeing a boom, pushing against the remaining strains of government criminalization. Meaning, since potential users and dealers who are not already in the market now have fewer government-imposed costs to risk, more people are entering the market. And since that indicates a growth industry, more opportunities for profit are emerging. But marijuana in Canada does not have the same status as, say, toothpicks. There are still legal boundaries that can be crossed even by relatively meaningless activity. For example, laws that restrict consumption and possession to under certain weights and volumes and to certain uses.
Further background at CTV.ca: Roszko killed officers and himself, RCMP says
Presumed cop killer Jim Roszko ambushed and killed all four officers in his Quonset hut, say the RCMP."None of our officers were struck by friendly fire," Supt. Marty Cheliak told reporters Saturday at a briefing outside the Mayerthorpe RCMP detachment.
"James Roszko was hit by return fire from our officers. Those strikes did not result in his death. James Roszko took his own life."
This was based on preliminary results from medical examiners, he said.
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RCMP Cpl. Wayne Oakes added that it isn't known yet whether Roszko was waiting for the officers inside the Quonset or whether he entered it from outside.
"That's something the investigation's going to have to definitively clear up," he said.
An affidavit signed by a bailiff and made public Friday night says Jim Roszko would most likely shoot on sight anyone he found on his property."The debtor is quite dangerous, has a long history of assaults, is in possession of a number of firearms ... and is known to have booby-trapped land," it read.
Alberta Mounties first went to Roszko's farm on Wednesday to assist with the bailiff's request to obtain property from the farm.
In addition, the police found evidence of stolen property, namely auto parts, and about 20 illegal marijuana plants plus a few pounds of leaves.
Initial reports indicated this event was triggered by a marijuana grow operation raid.
"It started very young. We tried to let him know we'd help him. But he couldn't overcome it. A lot of people played a part in that.''
A criminal profiler offered this explanation."This is the type of person who will either commit suicide by cop or he'll take everyone else out," said Pat Brown.
"He's not going to be jailed. He's done that before and didn't like it, so he's not going to let that happen again."
© 2005 Bell Globemedia Inc. All Rights Reserved.
The results as of 9:55pm, Central Standard Time:
Yes...5693 votes...(58 %)
No...4143 votes...(42 %)
My mother is Canadian and I have a considerable portion of my extended family residing there. For their sake, they hopefully will recognize the issues at stake and help prevent another wave of restrictive legislation and regulation.
UPDATE 3/7/2005 9:02am
See related comments at The London Fog ( Reefer Madness, The Liberal Way and Witch Hunting and Political posturing), Colby Cosh (How high to hang them? and ColbyCosh.com assignment desk), Jay Jardine ( Reefer Madness, Canadian Style), and the British Columbia Marijuana Party (Tragedy in Alberta Being Used By Opportunists and Prohibition Claims More Casualties, as well as others).
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Nice breakdown.
Posted by: billy-jay on March 6, 2005 07:55 AMSuch a bloody shame, really. I honestly believed people in this country were ready put the drug war behind them - a federal decriminalization bill was in the works and even the National Post was promoting legalisation in its op-eds....
....and all it took was one nutcase to get the herd worked up and now we're set for another era of wasted time, money and human potential by waging war on a plant.
Normally, the gun grabbers would be front and centre after a situation like this (was it a banned weapon? did he have a permit, etc?) but they had their day in the sun in '89 following the Lepine murders in Montreal. That incident gave us the vile National Gun Registry. Who knows what horrors will be foisted upon us this time around?
Posted by: Jay Jardine on March 7, 2005 04:24 PMno one as yet has said what kind of weapon was used in the mountie killings.i have heard that it was a high powered hunting rifle,an assault style rifle etc.why doesnt someone just state the model of rifle used.it was probably registred anyway.just another shining example of how the governments bullshit registry works.
Posted by: scott manning on March 8, 2005 07:14 AMHmm, I wouldn't use this situation as a basis for the legalization of marjuana. Also Jim Roszko was in trouble for far more, including theft. So should we just make theift legal to then? If drugs aren't a big deal then why did Roszko feel he had the need to shoot? Also take out the drugs and this still would have happened. The police went out there to help a baliff get a truck which Jim Roszko was not making his payments for, a repo. Then they found a ton of stolen parts (and drugs) but they still would have had to stay there even if there were no drugs because the guy was a theif. The legalization of marjuana would not have made this man any more sane. I think people like you need a serious reality check. Police officers are our heros, I bet you don't risk your life everyday cleaning up the scum in this world.
Posted by: Fred on March 10, 2005 08:24 AMFred, as I said in the main post, the theft issue is seperate. To the extend Mr. Roszko was a thief, he owned his victims restitution and compensation. No, theft is not OK. Why the public ought NOT to be forced to help pay for that compensation (taxation for police funding) is something we can leave for later, should you want to discuss this further.
Why did Roszko feel the need to shoot? If he was mentally deranged (which is possible), his grasp of reality might have been tenuous. But more likely, he just didn't want to go to jail again and decided to defend himself by going on the offense (assuming he fired first).
If you want that debate on cops, I'll have it with you. I don't risk my life every day to help others because I don't want to. I also don't want to be coerced into paying for the salaries, equipment, and administration of the police because I'm not responsible for bringing criminals to justice. I didn't ask the Austin Police Department to protect my property, but they do it anyway. If I want help in catching someone, I'll ask for it and compensate those people for their assistence. See http://www.drizzten.com/blargchives/001144.html "A Conceptual Analysis of Public Goods - The Case of Nationalized Defense" for more.
Posted by: Drizz on March 10, 2005 09:33 AMin the hartford courant in connecticut last month, front page,side by side was the story of the four mounted police officers murder and next to it was the report of a young man shooting his friend over a debt they both owed for large amounts of maurijuana they were getting from canada, ayoung man is dead and his friend killed him because someone allowed them to owe them over 300,00 dollars for pot,my question is is this a connection?
Posted by: carol on April 14, 2005 03:08 AM