April 21, 2003
Yes, G. Pascal Zachary, Please Go
Bay Area politicos would fit comfortably under the rubric of European "social democrats," favoring a humane welfare state, multilateralism and a ban on offensive military force.

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Think of the advantages of having our own country. We wouldn't have to apologize to people of conscience for being Americans any more. We wouldn't go to war against Arab dictators (or anyone else).

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Our greatest national myth remains the inevitable rightness of the Northern victory in the Civil War. We are taught again and again about the greatness of Abraham Lincoln, who held our nation together. Yet at what price? Lincoln freed the African American slaves, but they fell victim to "Jim Crow," the peculiar institution, to paraphrase historian Kenneth Stampp, that maintained racial separation in the South (and sanctioned violence against blacks) well into the 1960s. With the South in tow following the Civil War, the United States subdued the Native Americans in the West in the most brutal fashion, seized Cuba and the Philippines from Spain in 1898, thus ushering in an era of imperialism. American hegemony in the second half of the 20th century might have been impossible without a Northern victory in the Civil War.

Maybe Lincoln would have been an even greater president if he had let the South leave the Union in 1861. In the absence of Southern racists in Congress, the North would have become an industrial democracy of the European sort. American global power would have been moderated, humanized and democratized -- because urban voters in the industrial cities of Pittsburgh, Chicago and New York would have insisted on solidarity with workers of the world. Our roster of presidents would have included the populist William Jennings Bryan, the Socialist Eugene Debs and the one-worlder Henry Wallace. A more compact, social-democratic America would have still struggled mightily with the legacy of slavery and discrimination against African Americans, but a movement for racial equality would have begun decades earlier.

Might the liberation of the Bay Area unlock similar positive change? Think of the model social legislation that a Bay Nation could enact: bans on guns altogether, full legalization of same-sex unions, an expansion of public television and radio, complete decriminalization of marijuana, basic health care for all, environmental protections that would be the envy of North America.

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By the same token, undocumented Americans (a.k.a. "illegal aliens") could gain immediate citizenship in the Bay Nation. Bye-bye INS, hello multicultural justice.


I'll take the two gems of marijuana decriminalization and discriminationless marriage out of that pile of steaming turds and dump the rest. The sooner some folks take their ideas, demands, and dreams out of the system I live in and into one of their own creation, the better. Let them poison a different country with the collectivism and altrusim they so desperately preen for.

I support someone's right to declare themselves sovereign and independent from the nation they currently are citizens of, providing they don't steal the property and liberty of those who don't submit themselves to the seperation. The freedom of choice I support, not their underlying rationalizations. It's the same thing as saying I support someone's right to speak their mind regardless of the idiocy that mind may put forth.

Such idiocy includes the absurd declaration that a fully independent "Bay Area" nation-state would have a relatively productive and healthy economy after enacting a bargeload of growth-hampering and personal disincentivizing regulations and bringing about the kind of welfare state so beloved by responsibility-fearing Europeans and our more addle-minded neighbors to the north and south of us. It would be amusing to watch them choke themselves to death, moreso because the solutions they'd choose to fix the problems would only make them worse. Pulling the blade across the skin harder in order to stop the bleeding.

Via Andrew Sullivan.



Posted by Drizzten at April 21, 2003 01:21 PM

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I ain't sayin' I'm fer it, and I ain't sayin' I'm agin it, but it is something to think about. Good people get divorced. Nations change. Who would have ever thought we'd see the Soviet Union break up as quickly as it did? I live in the Bay Area, and there are times when I feel as though I'm on a different planet, never mind the Left side of a Right-wing military-dominated oligarchy. That's what it is, that's not me name-calling.

Let's do some supposin'. Suppose GWB is re-elected the same way he was this time in 2004. Do you think that's good for America? If you add up all the moneys paid into the U.S. treasury by the states, separating the ones that voted Republican and those that voted Democrat, then count up all the moneys going to the two groups, you'd see quickly that the states voting Democrat get a lot less back than they put in. Do you think that's fair?

Anyway, it's something to think about.

Now, for my personal point of view. Those clowns only want the Bay Area to secede because they think they'd get to be the ones in power. Not gonna happen. They are loud, but they don't actually outnumber the normal, more rational people in the Bay Area. Most of us are pretty typical Californians, the "go along, get along" variety. Go ahead, tease us if you must, but we're just you, out here.

Cheers.

Posted by: rlbtzero on April 22, 2003 01:01 PM

Supposing Bush was elected about the same way he was last time, I expect there to be outright civil disobedience among the Left. On an outright scale of Good or Bad for America, I'd say it's better than just about any Democratic candidate I've heard about. No Republican or Libertarian candidates have crossed my readings yet, so I can't comment on them.

Regarding the fairness of federal-state outlays, any situation where you get a negative or neutral return on your money is a bad thing. I won't say "fair" because I feel the governments shouldn't even own this tax money which they shift back and forth. If you are trying to say that since the 2000 election, Bush and his team have somehow reduced the amount of federal money flowing to states that sided with Gore, then I'd have to see the evidence before I'd believe it. It's tough to shift a government like that, especially considering all the other stuff in the pipeline at the moment.

Thanks for the comment.

Posted by: Drizz on April 23, 2003 12:11 AM
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